We're joined this week for the whole episode by our new friend Marshall, a longtime listener, a fellow musician and composer living in Denver and an insightful person. The discussion starts with Andy sharing how he has been going through some of the most intense depression of his life, the reasons why and how he is dealing with it. We talk about struggling to have motivation within day jobs, having integrity towards our employers and the benefit (or necessity) of tension between doing hard work that is unfulfilling alongside pursuing creative projects that are. We also discuss how self worth or value as a person does not come from productivity or quantity of output, no matter how much the present culture would have one think so. Marshall talks about how he got into making music and the ways in which it has grown for him even over a short period of time, as well as how he thinks about writing music or stepping into a new project and how it differs from Andy's approach.

To hear and purchase Marshall's music under the moniker Be Still The Earth, please visit

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Our theme music is "Gold" by Black Map, used by permission.